Personally I would say legalize all drugs, since their usage is a matter
of personal choice and morality. My personal prejudice is against the
dogmatic reactionists that want to regulate morality. I’d rather live
ethically myself, which means I am responsible for what I do NOT what the
person down the street is doing.
—
—Lee *******************************
ftp site: ftp.netcom.com/pub/freebird |"The greater sin passion can |
Web page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com | commit is to be joyless." |
/pub/freebird/web/wlm.html | –Dorothy Sayers |
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In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com>,
freeb…@netcom.com (William L. Mahan) wrote:
>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
>can’t use heroin in the USA either.
I just responded to a post in a sci.* group, and received, via snail,
an info packet on Marinol published by its manufacturers.
It is indicated in:
1) anorexia secondary to AIDS
2) nausea/emesis caused by chemo-therapy
Put *that* in your pipe and smoke it
Best
…………………………………………………………….
Dennis R. Hilton <drhil…@kaiwan.com>
>Glyn Hanton (g…@crosfield.co.uk) wrote:
>: There’s always Marinol if that can be proscribed.
That’s a pretty funny typo.
In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com>,
William L. Mahan <freeb…@netcom.com> wrote:
>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana.
It’s available, though not especially popular.
–
Steve Dyer
d…@ursa-major.spdcc.com
>What About Medical Marijuana for Pregnant Women?
first of all, let me just say it pisses me off with all the liberals that
scream "legalize marjiuana"!
We have THC available and therefore there is no need to legalize dope. I
have heard of the 8 people in the US that have a presciption for marjuana
and I listened to a radio station that interviewed one guy who described
how he would pick up joints in a
nice tin can from the pharmacy, he of course had this prescription for
glaucoma. Why smoke the stuff, we have enough smokers out there. THC is
already being used, esp. in the chemotherapy population, maybe we just
need to formulate it in different forms (I can see it now: people
stopping in the streets and puffing on what looks like and asthma inhaler!)
and another problem with people
just picking up a joint to "treat" themselves is that a dose is not
standardized if you buy it from different hoodlums. The very idea behind
medicinal therapy is achieving specific therapeutic blood levels.
Another thing is the problem with THC getting stored in adipose tissue,
IT STAYS IN THE SYSTEM FOR LONG PERIODS, that is why we can detect it in
people with blood and urine test, unlike compozine which is cleared from
the system in a fair amount of time.
If you feel like you want to experiment with another life (especially one
that is not yours), you may want to consider the ethical realms of it.
Wait until research can back up your little experiment with your wife and
child.
As far as being miserable with the pregnancy, you would think she would
have learned her lesson from the first time.
Abrupt, to the point, and no BS–just my 2 cents.
-Adam
Neil Johnson (n…@pokey.mc.com) wrote:
: Ok, it seems the consensus is that marijuana MAY (no real proof yet
: though) pose a very slight risk to fetal development. So the prudent
: thing to do is avoid it.
At this point, I was busy seriously disagreeing with you. I don’t think
the prudent thing to do is avoid it at all. Seeing the other groups you’ve
posted to (I’m reading this in alt.hemp) someone may be able to provide
references, but I have never seen anything convincing saying that cannabis
use is dangerous during pregnancy. I don’t suppose getting stoned off your
face is a particularly clever thing to do, if for no other reason than
the increased risk of general accidents, but I see no reason not to continue
some mild use, especialy considering the fact that cannabis use could help
with morning sickness as you have pointed out.
Saying all that, I’m not a doctor, and I’m sure lots of people reading
this are. I look forward to reading their comments.
One thing though,, when your wife does her piss test, do they actualy
check for THC. I don’t see why they would be specificaly looking for
that assuming they are just testing to see if she is generally healthy.
Maybe some of the medical proffesion reading this could clarify that
aspect as well.
Other than that, You, and your wife specificaly, have my sympathies and
best wishes for having to live in this crazy crazy situation.
–
Descartes thought an animal, _ .
That couldn’t talk, /##.,.##\ Glyn Hanton
Couldn’t think, or so he taught, #### ######
But to summise, ###@ @### g…@crosfield.co.uk
My cat thinks otherwise. ##/ v \##
` ~ ‘
Marijuana is marijuana. Just because it is labeled for medical use only
does not imply that is somehow different from the street variety, though
the potency is regulated. And since marijuana is smoked, the smoking
itself can cause effects on the blood flow to the fetus. The presence of
tar in the lungs decreasing the efficient flow of oxygen to the bloodstream.
If the compazine doesn’t help, there are other anti-nausea drugs on the
market, so a return trip to the physician is required here. And remember
its your wife’s body, not yours nor the doctor’s. And she is also
directly responsible for another possible person growing in her womb. So
she needs to assert herself to the doctor, but don’t expect medicinal
marijuana. It is closely regulated by the federal government and the
doctor will have a mountain of paperwork to do just to prescribe it. It
is more difficult to prescribe than morphine.
—
—Lee *******************************
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Web page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com | pick the one I never tried |
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Glyn Hanton (g…@crosfield.co.uk) wrote:
: Neil Johnson (n…@pokey.mc.com) wrote:
: : Ok, it seems the consensus is that marijuana MAY (no real proof yet
: : though) pose a very slight risk to fetal development. So the prudent
: : thing to do is avoid it.
: At this point, I was busy seriously disagreeing with you. I don’t think
: the prudent thing to do is avoid it at all. Seeing the other groups you’ve
: posted to (I’m reading this in alt.hemp) someone may be able to provide
: references, but I have never seen anything convincing saying that cannabis
: use is dangerous during pregnancy. I don’t suppose getting stoned off your
: face is a particularly clever thing to do, if for no other reason than
: the increased risk of general accidents, but I see no reason not to continue
: some mild use, especialy considering the fact that cannabis use could help
: with morning sickness as you have pointed out.
My source on the fetal effects was Cherry and Markatz _Complications
of Pregnancy_ 4th edition. They cite 4 studies in there:
1. Greenland S, Staish D, Brown N, et al. The effects of marijuana
use during pregnancy. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
1972;72.574-579
2. Hingson R, Alpert J, Day N, et al. Effects of maternal drinking
and marijuana use on fetal growth and development. Pediatrics
1982;70:539-546
3. Kaminski M, Franc M, Lebouvier M, et al. Moderate alcohol use
and pregnancy outcome. Neurobehavioral Toxicology and Tetrology
1981;3:173-181
4. Little RE, Graham JM, Samson HH. Fetal alcohol effects in
humans and animals. ADV Alcohol and Substance Abuse 1982;1:103-125
I assume that marijuana was mentioned in the fetal alcohol articles.
It would be worth looking up.
I don’t see why people feel the need to defend women smoking pot
during pregnancy. I think marijuana is pretty safe, certainly
safer than alcohol and I think it has a variety of medical uses
I also think it’s a damn shame that people with cancer, AIDS
glaucoma, chronic pain and muscle spasm disorders have to skulk
around like criminals if they want to use it. As far as I can
tell, it has some distinct advantages over marinol, beginning
with the immediate onset of effect from smoking and the way
this allows people to more easily regulate dosage.
But pregnancy is a special situation. Pregnant women are advised
to abstain from all kinds of otherwise innocous substances including
aspirin, caffiene, over the counter cold remedies, even an occasional
alcoholic drink. Particularly during the first trimester, which
is when morning sickness is most likely to occur. The thing is:
with pregnancy, one does not prove substances dangerous to the fetus.
Because of the risks, one must adhere to a higher standard of proof
and prove that a substance is *safe*. Because we cannot and should
not go experimenting on human women to prove this, we must rely
on animal studies and on those cases where the risks to mother or
baby are so great from illness that the potential dangers of a
medication are warranted.
: Saying all that, I’m not a doctor, and I’m sure lots of people reading
: this are. I look forward to reading their comments.
: One thing though,, when your wife does her piss test, do they actualy
: check for THC. I don’t see why they would be specificaly looking for
: that assuming they are just testing to see if she is generally healthy.
: Maybe some of the medical proffesion reading this could clarify that
: aspect as well.
This is not a part of routine prenatal care. Urine is checked for
sugar (indicative of diabetes), protein (indicative of kidney problems
and toxemia) and sometimes for signs of urinary tract infections. However,
it might be checked for drugs like pot if the person is in a drug
rehab program or on parole for a drug related legal conviction.
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Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS 213-766-1356
"The BBS for the information addict!"
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William L. Mahan (freeb…@netcom.com) wrote:
: Marijuana is marijuana. Just because it is labeled for medical use only
: does not imply that is somehow different from the street variety, though
: the potency is regulated. And since marijuana is smoked, the smoking
: itself can cause effects on the blood flow to the fetus. The presence of
: tar in the lungs decreasing the efficient flow of oxygen to the bloodstream.
There’s always Marinol if that can be proscribed. Everyone seems to say
it’s not as good (possibly due to the fact that you are missing the other
cannaboids, and it’s not as easy to regulate dosage), but if it’s the
choice of that or something that makes you into a vegetable, maybe the
doctor would proscribe that.
–
Descartes thought an animal, _ .
That couldn’t talk, /##.,.##\ Glyn Hanton
Couldn’t think, or so he taught, #### ######
But to summise, ###@ @### g…@crosfield.co.uk
My cat thinks otherwise. ##/ v \##
` ~ ‘
Ok, it seems the consensus is that marijuana MAY (no real proof yet
though) pose a very slight risk to fetal development. So the prudent
thing to do is avoid it.
What About Medical Marijuana for Pregnant Women?
One big point everyone is missing is medical marijuana & pregnancy.
We all know marijuana is an anti-nausea drug. Well why not use it
during pregnancy. Increased calorie intake, and less chance of medical
complications (like dehydration due to nausea).
I can see people cringing at the thought of pregnant women siting
around smoking bones cause they think it will make themselves & the
baby healthy & happy. But lets consider the flip side. With both my
wife’s first & second (current) pregnancy she was effectively denied
medical marijuana via frequent piss tests (standard procedure for many
hospitals).
Well during the first pregnancy she had a severe case of morning
sickness which resulted in a constant battle to keep food & fluids
down. (Really bad for the fetus) Then near disaster struck. She got
the flu resulting mega dehydration & went into false labor (way too
early).
Well I rushed here to the emergency room where she was put on an
IV-drip for rehydration & we prepared for a mega-premie baby! Well we
where lucky & the baby never came out & my wife returned to normal.
Ok, now consider if she was allowed medical marijuana. Maybe she would of
had a normal enjoyable pregnancy?
Well it gets worse. Pregnancy #2 in progress right now. Some morning
sickness then wham, Subway gives her food poisoning. Nausea, vomiting,
cramps. Exactly the thing chemotherapy patients use medical marijuana
for. A phone call to her doctor gives us the typical advice, drink
lots of fluids. So, shes now lying on the floor moaning in severe
pain. She says she feels like she’s dying. (A typical normal food
poisoning scenario.) Still none of the warning signs requiring
hospitalization. Well I suggest medical marijuana, she cries, she has a
piss test coming up in less than a week (remember frequent checkups
cause she’s pregnant).
Well we visit the doctor & she prescribes COMPAZINE. 25mg doses every
8 hours. Now this is the very dangerous type of tranquilizer Jack
Herer talks about in the Emperor (Used to cure marijuana smoking).
The label warned that the main side effect is permanent brain damage
manifested in many different forms including, parkinson (like)
disease, permanent shakes, palsies, facial twitches, ticks,
involuntary tongue movements (like sticking it out). Due to these side
effects this tranquilizer label recommended against using Compazine if
possible. The label only recommended Compazine as a last resort due to
the side effects (brain damage). They recommended using safer
tranquilizers like valium if possible. And if used they recommended the
trying lowest dosage first (5mg from memory). Compazine was only to be
used for psychotic mental patients where benefits out way the
risks. (If you don’t believe me look compazine up in any old PDR).
But our pharmacist & doctor both assured us that Compazine is what
pregnant women are given for nausea. A statement I’m sure is true.
I think its time the medical community gets a clue, yup marijuana
might not be 100% safe but it sure beats the hell out of "zine" drugs
when it comes to safety.
So, now my wife has gone from vomiting & pain to a vegetable who just
lies on the couch and watches TV. No more vomiting though!
This is a sick fucking world we live in!
——————————————————————-
Glyn Hanton (g…@crosfield.co.uk) wrote:
: There’s always Marinol if that can be proscribed. Everyone seems to say
: it’s not as good (possibly due to the fact that you are missing the other
: cannaboids, and it’s not as easy to regulate dosage), but if it’s the
: choice of that or something that makes you into a vegetable, maybe the
: doctor would proscribe that.
I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
can’t use heroin in the USA either.
—
—Lee *******************************
ftp site: ftp.netcom.com/pub/freebird |"The greater sin passion can |
Web page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com | commit is to be joyless." |
/pub/freebird/web/wlm.html | –Dorothy Sayers |
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In article <39e9ae$…@oak.oakland.edu>,
Adam <awilm…@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> wrote:
[Someone else wrote this:]
}>What About Medical Marijuana for Pregnant Women?
Now here comes Adam…
}first of all, let me just say it pisses me off with all the liberals that
}scream "legalize marjiuana"!
I have primary lateral sclerosis. When you can come up with a drug
than can relieve my muscle spasms in less than a minute…
}Abrupt, to the point, and no BS–just my 2 cents.
Me too. I’ll leave the flaming for others, but let me say that it is
people like you that really piss me off.
–
Galen Hekhuis Np.D. g…@virginia.edu
[X] Plays well with others
In article A…@netcom.com, freeb…@netcom.com (William L. Mahan) writes:
>Marijuana is marijuana. Just because it is labeled for medical use only
>does not imply that is somehow different from the street variety, though
>the potency is regulated. And since marijuana is smoked, the smoking
>itself can cause effects on the blood flow to the fetus. The presence of
>tar in the lungs decreasing the efficient flow of oxygen to the bloodstream.
It is my understanding that MJ can be eaten as well as smoked.
Haven’t you ever heard of the stereotypical "MJ brownies"?
—
Robert Allen, r…@sun.com
DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and
do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer.
The Constitution of the United States: R.I.P, 9/13/94
(the day Bill Clinton signed the Crime Bill)
In article <freebirdCyq89D….@netcom.com> freeb…@netcom.com (William L. Mahan) writes:
>If the compazine doesn’t help, there are other anti-nausea drugs on the
>market, so a return trip to the physician is required here. And remember
>its your wife’s body, not yours nor the doctor’s. And she is also
>directly responsible for another possible person growing in her womb. So
>she needs to assert herself to the doctor, but don’t expect medicinal
>marijuana. It is closely regulated by the federal government and the
>doctor will have a mountain of paperwork to do just to prescribe it. It
>is more difficult to prescribe than morphine.
There is another alternative that you may not have explored,
accupressure. There is an accupressure point about three fingers about
the wrinkle on the wrist that controls nausea and vomitting. In fact,
you can buy a device, called SeaBands, that place constant pressure on
this accupressure point and control nausea due to motion sickness and
pregnancy. Several women I know swear by them. Some hospitals are using
them to control post-operative nausea. You can buy them in pharmacies or
boating stores.
–
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e-mail: pcraw…@peinet.pe.ca Charlottetown, PEI
phone: (902) 894-8095 (home) Canada C1A 6L9
(902) 894-8553 (work)
In article <freebirdCysF97….@netcom.com>, freeb…@netcom.com (William
L. Mahan) writes:
>Personally I would say legalize all drugs, since their usage is a matter
>of personal choice and morality. My personal prejudice is against the
>dogmatic reactionists that want to regulate morality. I’d rather live
>ethically myself, which means I am responsible for what I do NOT what the
>person down the street is doing.
Agreed. Most heartily.
BTW: A couple of years back there was a particularly touching piece
in National Review from one of the contributors about his mother’s
battle with cancer and her last months. She couldn’t hold any food
down, none of the anti-nausea drugs they gave her were working, so
the fellow went out and bot his mom some hashish….cooked it into
brownies and gave it to her. [the doctor attending the lady knew what
the son was doing, but "overlooked" it]. His mom responded
well and her last several months of life were quite a bit more
pleasant.
I believe Marinol is available….at least it was being advertised in the
New England Journal of Med a year ago [quite discretely, I might add...
there was no prescribing information with the ad]. Whether a doctor
would be willing to prescribe it is an entirely different story.
Face it, as long as we have an FDA that requires *nicotine chewing
gum* to be prescription, how likely do you think it is they will even
consider liberalizing the use of marijuana?
I’d say close to ZERO.
Camilla Cracchiolo (cami…@netcom.com) wrote:
: Glyn Hanton (g…@crosfield.co.uk) wrote:
: : Neil Johnson (n…@pokey.mc.com) wrote:
: : : Ok, it seems the consensus is that marijuana MAY (no real proof yet
: : : though) pose a very slight risk to fetal development. So the prudent
: : : thing to do is avoid it.
: : At this point, I was busy seriously disagreeing with you. I don’t think
: : the prudent thing to do is avoid it at all. Seeing the other groups you’ve
: : posted to (I’m reading this in alt.hemp) someone may be able to provide
: : references, but I have never seen anything convincing saying that cannabis
: : use is dangerous during pregnancy. I don’t suppose getting stoned off your
: : face is a particularly clever thing to do, if for no other reason than
: : the increased risk of general accidents, but I see no reason not to continue
: : some mild use, especialy considering the fact that cannabis use could help
: : with morning sickness as you have pointed out.
: My source on the fetal effects was Cherry and Markatz _Complications
: of Pregnancy_ 4th edition. They cite 4 studies in there:
: 1. Greenland S, Staish D, Brown N, et al. The effects of marijuana
: use during pregnancy. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
: 1972;72.574-579
: 2. Hingson R, Alpert J, Day N, et al. Effects of maternal drinking
: and marijuana use on fetal growth and development. Pediatrics
: 1982;70:539-546
: 3. Kaminski M, Franc M, Lebouvier M, et al. Moderate alcohol use
: and pregnancy outcome. Neurobehavioral Toxicology and Tetrology
: 1981;3:173-181
: 4. Little RE, Graham JM, Samson HH. Fetal alcohol effects in
: humans and animals. ADV Alcohol and Substance Abuse 1982;1:103-125
: I assume that marijuana was mentioned in the fetal alcohol articles.
: It would be worth looking up.
I’ll try, but I don’t have access to a university library, or even a large
normal one, so it may take me some time.
: I don’t see why people feel the need to defend women smoking pot
: during pregnancy.
Because people keep attacking them ?
: I think marijuana is pretty safe, certainly
: safer than alcohol and I think it has a variety of medical uses
: I also think it’s a damn shame that people with cancer, AIDS
: glaucoma, chronic pain and muscle spasm disorders have to skulk
: around like criminals if they want to use it. As far as I can
: tell, it has some distinct advantages over marinol, beginning
: with the immediate onset of effect from smoking and the way
: this allows people to more easily regulate dosage.
: But pregnancy is a special situation. Pregnant women are advised
: to abstain from all kinds of otherwise innocous substances including
: aspirin, caffiene, over the counter cold remedies, even an occasional
: alcoholic drink. Particularly during the first trimester, which
: is when morning sickness is most likely to occur. The thing is:
: with pregnancy, one does not prove substances dangerous to the fetus.
: Because of the risks, one must adhere to a higher standard of proof
: and prove that a substance is *safe*.
Well, with risk of getting into the realms of phylosophy. Why must we
do this. Isn’t it possible that the mother could lose the baby because
she is suffering and does not do something to cure the sickness. If
she is having problems keeping down food and drink, isn’t that
more dangerous to the fetus that smoking a little cannabis ?
We must remeber that there are two distinct cases here. That of the
mother to be using cannabis recreationaly, and that of using it
medicinaly. In the case of using it recreationaly, I can see your
argument. I disagree besed on the fact that if we stopped doing
everything that could possibly be dangerous then we would end up not
doing anything at all. I don’t think we are going to agree on that one,
unless I do see some specific texts that suggest that cannabis is more
dangerous to the unborn child than I previously thought. I will try and
check up on some of the texts you cited.
On the second case though, that of the mother using cannabis as a
medicine to cure the pangs of morning sickness, then considering
the lack of an obvious conclusion from the data available, I would
say the final decision must rest with the mother.
: Because we cannot and should
: not go experimenting on human women to prove this, we must rely
: on animal studies and on those cases where the risks to mother or
: baby are so great from illness that the potential dangers of a
: medication are warranted.
Well, this is more a subject of the ethics of medicine, but if a mother
wishes to use cannabis during her pregnancy, then we should be
correlating the results of birthweights etc if nothing else. We
obviously can’t do this though due to the illegality of the subject in
question.
–
Descartes thought an animal, _ .
That couldn’t talk, /##.,.##\ Glyn Hanton
Couldn’t think, or so he taught, #### ######
But to summise, ###@ @### g…@crosfield.co.uk
My cat thinks otherwise. ##/ v \##
` ~ ‘
In article <RTwkkuti0r6G07…@kaiwan.com>,
Dennis R. Hilton <DRHil…@kaiwan.com> wrote:
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>In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com>,
>freeb…@netcom.com (William L. Mahan) wrote:
>>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
>>can’t use heroin in the USA either.
>I just responded to a post in a sci.* group, and received, via snail,
>an info packet on Marinol published by its manufacturers.
>It is indicated in:
>1) anorexia secondary to AIDS
>2) nausea/emesis caused by chemo-therapy
>Put *that* in your pipe and smoke it
Problem is, there is a great deal of paperwork to be done if you want
to prescibe these things in the US. What can’t be understood, either
in the UK or Stateside
is that a GP has at least 10 years practice as a medical student,
intern, junior doctor and finally as a locum before he will be a
GP. In my opinion, I’d say that a doctor should be able to prescribe
what he wants, and not have some idiot pen-pusher tell him.
Look, I’m doing a medical course here in the UK, and I really strongly
believe that, in cases like this, because of the variability amongst
individuals, inhalation has to be the route of choice because it
allows individuals to choose the dose which has the highest amount of
relief with the lowest amount of psychoactive effects. Remember that
(AFAIK) there isn’t a single anti-emetic on the market which doesn’t
have these effects. From my point of view as both an occasional user
and as a medical student, I’d say that, at the current moment, smoking
is the most effective route of administration. now if marinol was
available as an inhaler, then I’d say that this would be the best drug
to presribe.
All I say is that we want medical marijuana now, and if something
better is found in the future, we’ll use that. However, this is now,
and something must be done.
Andy L.
In article <39egtm$…@engnews2.eng.sun.com>,
Robert Allen <r…@Eng.Sun.COM> wrote:
>In article A…@netcom.com, freeb…@netcom.com (William L. Mahan) writes:
>>Marijuana is marijuana. Just because it is labeled for medical use only
>>does not imply that is somehow different from the street variety, though
>>the potency is regulated. And since marijuana is smoked, the smoking
>>itself can cause effects on the blood flow to the fetus. The presence of
>>tar in the lungs decreasing the efficient flow of oxygen to the bloodstream.
>It is my understanding that MJ can be eaten as well as smoked.
>Haven’t you ever heard of the stereotypical "MJ brownies"?
Problem is that it is difficult to regulate doses. With medical
marijuana (no implications about strength) you want to get the highest
possible effect with as low level of psychoactive effects. It is far
easier to regulate this by inhalation because the effects have a
faster onset than oral administration.
Andy L.
In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com>,
William L. Mahan <freeb…@netcom.com> wrote:
>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
>can’t use heroin in the USA either.
>–
Marinol has been available for years in the US, recently it received
extended FDA approval for improving appetite in AIDS patients.
In Oncology it has not been found to all that useful in most patients but
does work for some and is completely legal when prescribed unlike
marijuana.
Adam (awilm…@saturn.acs.oakland.edu) wrote:
: >What About Medical Marijuana for Pregnant Women?
: first of all, let me just say it pisses me off with all the liberals that
: scream "legalize marjiuana"!
Thank you Adam. So does that mean when a former Republican, turned
libertarian says it you aren’t pissed ? And by the way, in the UK (where
we have many readers, I beleive ‘pissed’ is connotation for stoned.)
: We have THC available and therefore there is no need to legalize dope. I
: have heard of the 8 people in the US that have a presciption for marjuana
: and I listened to a radio station that interviewed one guy who described
: how he would pick up joints in a
: nice tin can from the pharmacy, he of course had this prescription for
: glaucoma. Why smoke the stuff, we have enough smokers out there. THC is
: already being used, esp. in the chemotherapy population, maybe we just
: need to formulate it in different forms (I can see it now: people
: stopping in the streets and puffing on what looks like and asthma inhaler!)
: and another problem with people
: just picking up a joint to "treat" themselves is that a dose is not
: standardized if you buy it from different hoodlums. The very idea behind
: medicinal therapy is achieving specific therapeutic blood levels.
Well, as I understand it, smoking is significantly easier to ingest for
many that NEED it’s effects. Try swallowing a horse pill when you feel like
puking. Or just sit back and wait for an hour or so with severe muscle spasms.
As for your vision of the future, why invest millions of $$ into a fake
THC delivery vehicle ? The ultimate is available now. People only need to
hit the street corners because of our wonderful government. With legality,
it’s at the drug store (or grow your own).
: Another thing is the problem with THC getting stored in adipose tissue,
: IT STAYS IN THE SYSTEM FOR LONG PERIODS, that is why we can detect it in
: people with blood and urine test, unlike compozine which is cleared from
: the system in a fair amount of time.
Close, but actually, the THC breaks down quite rapidly. What is left behind
are metabolites. Harmless and not in any way indicative of impairment.
: If you feel like you want to experiment with another life (especially one
: that is not yours), you may want to consider the ethical realms of it.
: Wait until research can back up your little experiment with your wife and
: child.
I agree with you here. Prenatal care is extremely important to the development
of a healthy fetus. But it sounded like the legal alternative was real scary
to the health of the mother.
: As far as being miserable with the pregnancy, you would think she would
: have learned her lesson from the first time.
Sounds like you’ve been there ?
: Abrupt, to the point, and no BS–just my 2 cents.
Abrupt, yes most prohibitionists are.
To the point, well, OK.
No BS. Actually a fair amount in there.
: -Adam
Keith
In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com> William L. Mahan,
freeb…@netcom.com writes:
>: There’s always Marinol if that can be proscribed. Everyone seems to
say
>: it’s not as good (possibly due to the fact that you are missing the
other
>: cannaboids, and it’s not as easy to regulate dosage), but if it’s the
>: choice of that or something that makes you into a vegetable, maybe the
>: doctor would proscribe that.
>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
>can’t use heroin in the USA either.
It is available, but I do not think it is used too much.
For chemotherapy induced nausea, a very good med is ondansetron (5-HT3
blocker that does not mess with the dopamine receptors, I think). This
med is a lot more effective than many other antiemetics. I am not sure
about its use during pregnancy, as I think it has only been approved for
chemo induced nausea.
>—Lee
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>>It is my understanding that MJ can be eaten as well as smoked.
>>Haven’t you ever heard of the stereotypical "MJ brownies"?
>Problem is that it is difficult to regulate doses. With medical
>marijuana (no implications about strength) you want to get the highest
>possible effect with as low level of psychoactive effects. It is far
>easier to regulate this by inhalation because the effects have a
>faster onset than oral administration.
The alt.hemp people should have a better handle on this than me, but
I’ve heard there is a compound created in the burning of hemp that
counteracts the anxiety that can be experienced by some who use the
drug. As far as I know, Marinol does not have that extra compound.
It probably should, maybe even moreso if for inhalation because of the
faster onset of effects.
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eos/unh
geli…@ekman.unh.edu
Yup. There is no difference in "US sanctioned" medical mary j,
but many medicate themselves with street pot any way, since only
9, or is it 8 now? people are legally prescribed. I know one of these
people, Elvy Musikka. I have seen what the government gives her….
I don’t think I’d smoke it… I was bummed when I first saw what it was,
cause I had all these visions of the ‘killer dope’ or whatever, and there
it was, a nasty brown weed, with the twigs and leaves left in it, and it was
not left as bud, either , the fucking g boys chop the shit up, sticks and
all, then roll it for her…. She says the first thing she does with a new
prescription is take it outta the paper and moisten it, she says they dry it
out too much (probably sits in a wherehouse getting stale for months…)
Any way, if you know someone with cancer, or aids, try and turn them on
to some fairly good buds, if they agree and haven’t smoked before, they
will call you a life saver afterwards.
Fuck the LAW, WE ARE RIGHT! And the spineless nazi boys KNOW IT, don’t you?
Long live the electron, long live cannabis indica! (Sativa is for paper 8-))
MC
Whoever the guy who said something about liberals wanting to legalize
our fine gift from God should check his misguided fascist rulebook…
It is PROHIBITION which is the liberal idea you fuck!
As our national leader, Richard Cowan said:
"Prohibition and Communism are both abberations of the 20th century"
And The first Republican to ever be president, Abraham Lincoln
said about prohibition, that it was the worst type of law man
could pass, because it sought to make criminals over night
of those who are NOT criminals. What IS criminal though is letting
the facsist fucks called the DEA, decide what can and can not
be used as medicine, let alone the one plant which has been used
as medicine sice the dawn of man. You sir and your war on drugs
are the tax and spend liberal fucks, so don’t come around here
with your anti Constitution prohibition, whiskey drinking,
cigar smoking bad ass self and spout off your proof of how
out of it you are, we don’t care to hear it, but if you insist,
I will insist on flaming you with Life, Liberty, the Pusuit of
happiness, my mom, a slice of apple pie, and of course, a fat blunt,
so you can really see the light, ok?
On a serious note, however, I love you brother and pray for your soul
to be enlightened.
MC
In article <Cyyty7….@news.cis.umn.edu>, Matthew A. Emme <emme0…@gold.tc.umn.edu> writes:
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> In article <freebirdCysFGx….@netcom.com> William L. Mahan,
> freeb…@netcom.com writes:
>>: There’s always Marinol if that can be proscribed. Everyone seems to
> say
>>: it’s not as good (possibly due to the fact that you are missing the
> other
>>: cannaboids, and it’s not as easy to regulate dosage), but if it’s the
>>: choice of that or something that makes you into a vegetable, maybe the
>>: doctor would proscribe that.
>>I don’t believe Marinol is available in the US, in fact I would be
>>surprised if it was, since it is affiliated with marijuana. BTW…we
>>can’t use heroin in the USA either.
> It is available, but I do not think it is used too much.
> For chemotherapy induced nausea, a very good med is ondansetron (5-HT3
> blocker that does not mess with the dopamine receptors, I think). This
> med is a lot more effective than many other antiemetics. I am not sure
> about its use during pregnancy, as I think it has only been approved for
> chemo induced nausea.
It has also been approved now for prevention of surgically related nausea and
vomiting.
—
Rob Silverman, R.Ph.
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In article <39ta3i$…@mozz.unh.edu> geli…@ekman.unh.edu writes:
>>>It is my understanding that MJ can be eaten as well as smoked.
>>>Haven’t you ever heard of the stereotypical "MJ brownies"?
>>Problem is that it is difficult to regulate doses. With medical
>>marijuana (no implications about strength) you want to get the highest
>>possible effect with as low level of psychoactive effects. It is far
>>easier to regulate this by inhalation because the effects have a
>>faster onset than oral administration.
>The alt.hemp people should have a better handle on this than me, but
>I’ve heard there is a compound created in the burning of hemp that
>counteracts the anxiety that can be experienced by some who use the
>drug. As far as I know, Marinol does not have that extra compound.
>It probably should, maybe even moreso if for inhalation because of the
>faster onset of effects.
Well, I’m no chemist, but I know of nothing particular
about burning marijuana which produces different chemicals.
I’m not saying its impossible though.
I did want to say that the comparison of marinol to
marijuana is bad, however, because marinol is nothing more
than synthetic delta-9 THC in sesame oil. Marijuana has
around 400 chemicals in it, 30 or so of which are
cannabinoids, unique to the plant. Several of these
cannabinoids are more sedative in effect than THC, so perhaps
this sheds some light on the anxiety issue. However, these
elements would still be present in brownies.
Keep in mind that different strains of marijuana contain
different concentrations of the cannabinoids, and the effects
of most of these cannabinoids is still undetermined. Also,
there is almost no knowledge of the effects of these in
conjunction with each other (god, I hate linear thinking!), so
the comparison of marinol to marijuana is pretty useless.
Marijuana users will tell you that the ‘high’ obtained from
different strains of pot ‘feel’ different, probably due to the
non-linear relationship of the numerous chemicals involved.
It is known that none of these chemicals are toxic. Ergo,
it would be pretty easy to start doing research into the other
chemicals in marijuana and their interaction, but, of course,
that would be logical, and logic isn’t the strong suit of the
DEA, who block just about every attempt to understand more
about marijuana. In the mean time, subjective opinions are
all we have to go by.
Sean
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ssimp…@cs.ucsd.edu